Elemental Kings/ God forms

[Dean Hildebrandt]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Marcelo Sales wrote:

> Is this the height of PANTHEISM? This is a difficult concept for me. After
> giving it some thought it can ring true. All experiences of
> NIRVANA/ENLIGHTENMET are accompanied with feelings of being at ONE with the
> universe. Its much easier to converse with consciousness than it is to
> converse with inanimate objects.
> 
It seems to me that the experience might more accurately be described as
experiencing oneness with the immediate enioronment with the sense of this
oneness extending indefinitely outward.  The inference that this includes
the entire universe is a bit of a leap.  My experiences suggest that the
Tao, or whatever you want to call it, is local to the surface region of
this planet, and that many other things also exist at that level, though
humans have had little or no contact with them for at least tens of
thousands of years.

> Do you believe that the whole method of Enochian is an effort on the part of
> the angels to reveal to man that everything is in fact an individual entity.

I think that Enochian is more suited to discovering the multiplicity of
the universe.

> To make my point clearer, to my limited knowledge I am not aware of any
> previous Grimoire which uses the methodology of combining letters and names
> to make new spiritual entities. This is unheard of in the Greater and

This isn't how Enochian magic works either.  Dee asked about a discrepancy
in the name of one of the parts of Earth and was told he could use either
name, which implies that the names are ways of contacting beings, not the
beings themselves.  Numerous people's experiences with them have tended to
confirm this.  The tablets are an interface through which we can make
contact, not the substance of the angels themselves.

> individual is a 'Dogma' of Enochain magick?
> 
Enochian magic is not a doctrine; it is a set of beings, objects, and
tools.

> The angels themselves simply build onto the existing paradigm of the
> magician and through that paradigm(world view) they will bring forth their
> messege and change in the psyche of the practitioner. In other words, the
> angels do not care whether you are theist, polytheist or even
> agnostic.....rather they care more about that you speak the calls and get
> the show on the road.
> 
I agree with this except for the presumption that the angels have a
particular message to impart.
-Dean


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